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09/09/2026

The Armenian Ana Kasparian, co-hosting a show called “Young Turks” is a near equivalent of a Jewish person co-hosting a show named “The N**i Party”.

How in the world,
A ) Is this name acceptable? (The political party behind the Armenian genocide).
B ) Can anyone possibly have respect to this woman?

Those pro Palis who are cheering for the imperialistic rhetoric by Turkey’s President Erdogan, about “freeing Jerusalem”...
07/09/2026

Those pro Palis who are cheering for the imperialistic rhetoric by Turkey’s President Erdogan, about “freeing Jerusalem” just because this rhetoric is anti Jewish- as usual need some historical reminder.

If they think that the Palestinians are mistreated by Israel, and need Turkey to free them- oh sweet child of mine.

Historically, even the idea of Arab nationalism- let alone an obnoxious one as the Palestinian cause has been made to be- was suppressed very brutally by the Ottoman empire, that Erdogan wants to revive.

Want some examples? There you go:

➡️ 1811-18, The crashing of the First Saudi State.

Emir Saud bin Abdulaziz managed to expand across most of the Arabian peninsula, taking control of the holy cities of Mecca and Medina. Such strive for independence has hurt the Ottoman prestige, and brought an invasion by proxy forces- resulting in the destruction of the Saudi capital of Diriyah, thousands of military and civilian casualties, the ex*****on of Emir Abdullah bin Saud (the successor of Emir Saud) in Istanbul, and the forceful dismantling of Najdi self-rule.

➡️ 1870s-1910s
Freedom of expression? Nope.
Instead- censorship and banning of Arab cultural and political societies.
The Arabic press in Beirut, Damascus, and Cairo was censored by the state. Organizations advocating for Arab linguistic rights and regional self-governance were targeted, forcing intellectuals like Abd al-Rahman al-Kawakibi into exile.

➡️ 1904-14, Military campaigns in Asir (today’s Saudi Arabia) and Yemen.

Imam Yahya and Muhammad ibn Ali al-Idrisi in the Yemeni highlands and in Asir-sought local autonomy. The Ottomans weren’t too excited about the idea and deployed thousands of troops to suppress both movements.

➡️ 1910, Karak Revolt and Hawran Uprising.

To enforce centralizing “Turkification" policies, Ottoman governor Sami Pasha launched heavy military campaigns against Druze and Bedouin populations across Transjordan and Syria. The suppression ended in indiscriminate massacres of thousands of people, public hangings of local tribal leaders, and forced enlistment into the Ottoman military.

➡️ 1913-14, Putting the Paris Arab Congress participants under surveillance.

When Arab intellectuals and politicians met at the First Arab Congress in Paris to demand official recognition of Arabic in government and regional administrative decentralization, the Ottomans placed key attendees under state surveillance.

➡️ 1914, Arrest and purge of Arab officers.

The Ottomans arrested Major Aziz Ali al-Misri, a decorated officer and co-founder of the nationalist society Al-Ahd, and sentenced him to death by a military tribunal on charges of sparking public protests across Cairo, Damascus, and Baghdad.
Later, a diplomatic pressure forced them to exile him instead.
Alongside him- dozens of Arab officers were forced out of their positions.

➡️ 1914–1915

After the outbreak of World War I, The Ottomans seized document archives left behind in the French consulates in Beirut and Damascus. After finding correspondence between local Arab leaders, secret nationalist societies, and European diplomats regarding Arab administrative reform- raids, mass arrests, and military tribunals followed.

➡️ 1915–1916 Public Executions in Beirut and Damascus. 32 Arab nationalist leaders publicly executed by hanging.

➡️ 1915-18 Systematic Exiles and Mass Deportations.

As collective punishment for real or suspected Arab nationalistic sympathies, the Ottoman military regime deported thousands of prominent Arab families, civil servants, and military personnel from the Levant to central Anatolia.

➡️ 1915-18, The Siege and Famine of Mount Lebanon.
To neutralize potential Arab insurgencies, the Ottomans imposed a blockade around Mount Lebanon, preventing the entry of grain, supplies, and livestock leading to the death of roughly 200,000 to 300,000 civilians-nearly half the region's population.

➡️ 1916-19, Depopulation and Repression in Medina.

When Sharif Hussein bin Ali declared the Great Arab Revolt in June 1916, Ottoman forces forcibly deported over 40,000 Arab residents of Medina to Syria and Anatolia, took civilian grain reserves, and executed suspected revolt sympathizers.

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To repeat the words of the wannabe Sultan- Erdogan:
“In our history, there is no genocide, no massacres, no opression, and no colonialism. Throughout our entire… history, there has been only justice and compassion”…

Yeah… you can hardly even call it gaslighting when so many useful patsies want to repeat the history they don’t know.

Balfour declaration.The 1917 expression of favor for “a national home for the Jewish people” in their ancestral homeland...
03/09/2026

Balfour declaration.
The 1917 expression of favor for “a national home for the Jewish people” in their ancestral homeland, made by the Foreign Secretary of the British Empire.

There are many ways the Anti Zionists have expressed about this declaration, but the average sentiment can be seen through a quote by Edward Said- the Palestinian-American cultural theorist:
​"What is important about the Balfour Declaration is that it was made by a European power... about a non-European territory…”

Yes… because this is so unique, right?

Even before we address the morals behind this declaration-
Literally every major empire during WW1 engaged in a strategy of partition plans, territorial bribes and independence pledges to cause proxy revolts and unrest in places that very often were outside the European continent.

Some of those promises, became artificial countries that never existed before- such as Iraq and Jordan.

When it comes to Britain:
➡️ In 1915 they promised the Tsarist Russia- Constantinopol, the Turkish straits and portions of Ottoman Anatolia.

➡️ In 1915 they also promised Italy parts of Ottoman Anatolia, South Tyrol, Trieste, Istria, Dalmatia, Dodecanese islands and parts of Northern and Eastern Africa.

➡️ In 1916 they promised to the Sheriff of Mecca an independent Arab kingdom spanning from Greater Syria (mind that Syria is not exactly Arabia) to the Arabian peninsula.

➡️ Later that year they directly contradicted that promise by signing the Sykes-Picot with France.

➡️ In 1917 they promised India a “gradual development of self-governing institutions”.

➡️ In 1918 they had to falsely reassure the Sheriff of Mecca that Sykes-Picot won’t get in the way of the great independent Arab kingdom.

➡️ Later that year they contradicted that reassurance as well, by signing the “Declaration to the Seven”. A commitment to seven Syrian political leaders guaranteeing full sovereignty for Arab territories liberated by native Arab armies.

➡️ In 1918 cane the Anglo-French declaration promising the “complete and final liberation” of populations under Ottoman rule and the establishment of local national governments based on self determination.

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And like I said earlier- You know about Britain because they issued the Balfour declaration (and because they were on the winning side).

However here are more promises made by other parties in that war:

Germany.
➡️ In 1917 they offered Mexico- Texas, New Mexico and Arizona- in exchange for engaging in war against the U.S.

➡️ In 1916 together with Austro-Hungary they promised to create an independent kingdom of Poland, carved out of Russian territory.

➡️ The same year, India got a promise of independence from them.

➡️ In 1918, they already “recognized” the independence of Ukraine, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Georgia.

You want more? There you go:

France.
➡️ In 1916, they promised Cilicia to the Armenians.

Russia.
➡️ In 1914, promised to grant an autonomous Polish state.

And this is far from being a full list.

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So what is it with the Palestinian cause trying to inflate its victimhood for decades- while at almost any given moment being hardly a minor incident on the global scale?

One of the main narratives the Iranian regime is pushing, to claim the higher moral ground - is calling the U.S.-Israel ...
30/08/2026

One of the main narratives the Iranian regime is pushing, to claim the higher moral ground - is calling the U.S.-Israel alliance, “Epstein coalition”.

I guess the crisis in Iran is so bad that even the leaders can’t afford a mirror… But that’s ok-
We’ll place it here for them, by listing some of the Iranian high ranked officials who have married minors.

Oh, and keep in mind- the Islamic Republic of Iran does not prohibit marital rpe…

Here’s the list:

➡️ Hassan Rouhani, President.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 14.

➡️ Mohammad Ghalibaf, Parliament speaker.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 14.

➡️ Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the second Supreme Leader.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 17.

➡️ Mojtaba Khamenei, the current(?) Supreme Leader.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 17.

➡️ Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its first Supreme Leader.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 14.

➡️ Seyyed Ahmad Khomeini, ayatollah Khomeni’s Chief of staff.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 15.

➡️ Ali Larijani, former Speaker of Parliament.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 15.

➡️ Sadeq Amoli Larijani, former Head of Judiciary.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: below 16.

➡️ Mohammad Mohammadi Reyshahri, First minister of intelligence and Chief prosecutor of the special clergy court.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 11. (Proposed when she was 9).

➡️ Ayatollah Mohammad Beheshti, Architect of the Islamic Republic Constitution.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 15.

➡️ Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri, Designated Successor to Khomeini & Chairman of the Constitutional Assembly.
Wife’s age the day of marriage:14.

➡️ Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, Chairman of the Guardian Council & Assembly of Experts.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 14.

➡️ Ayatollah Sadegh Khalkhali, First Chief Justice of the Islamic Revolutionary Court.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 13.

➡️ Ayatollah Mohammad Yazdi, Former Head of the Judiciary & Chairman of the Guardian Council.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 14.

➡️ Ayatollah Morteza Motahhari, Ideological Co-Founder of the Islamic Republic & Chairman of the Council of the Islamic Revolution.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 15.

➡️ Ayatollah Mohammad-Reza Mahdavi Kani, Former Prime Minister. Wife’s age the day of marriage: 15.

➡️ Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, Former Head of the Judiciary. Wife’s age the day of marriage: 14.

​➡️ Ayatollah Mohammad-Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi, Ultra-Conservative Ideologue & Assembly of Experts Member. Wife’s age the day of marriage: 15.

​➡️ Ayatollah Ahmad Alamolhoda, Friday Prayer Leader of Mashhad & Assembly of Experts Member.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 14.

​➡️ Ayatollah Mohammad-Ali Movahedi Kermani, Chairman of the Assembly of Experts.
Wife’s age the day of marriage: 14.

There are more, but you get the point.

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So while smearing the U.S. and Israel with crimes allegedly practiced by some figures among their elites- in the Islamic Republic of Iran these crimes are an absolute normality.

The effects of these interactions are quite similar.
28/08/2026

The effects of these interactions are quite similar.

No way…How much resources do you think were spent to find that out?..Do you think it took more than understanding that t...
26/08/2026

No way…
How much resources do you think were spent to find that out?..

Do you think it took more than understanding that the Iranian regime won’t follow the MOU?

Or than confirming Russia’s intention to invade Ukraine in 2022, after the Kremlin deployed hundreds of thousands of troops for a “drill”?

Or than confirming that Saddam Hussein is about to invade Kuwait in 1990, when he gathered 100 thousand troops on the border?

Or than understanding that Hizballah will never willingly disarm despite that being the core condition of at least two UN resolutions that have seen light over 20 years ago?

“A land with no people for people with no land”.The saying, referring to the fact of the pre-British Mandate Palestine b...
24/08/2026

“A land with no people for people with no land”.

The saying, referring to the fact of the pre-British Mandate Palestine being largely deserted-
That many times is dismissed as a “Zionist slogan”.

Well, first- Jews weren’t even the ones to come up with it over 180 years ago:
The saying made its first appearance in 1844 as a rephrasing of what Dr. alexander Keith- a Church of Scotland clergyman, said in his book:
“A people without a country…in a great measure a country without a people”.

But also,
Is it really that inaccurate?

Was Palestine actually “a home to culturally rich and diverse ancient Palestinian people uprooted by the evil Zionists”?

Why don’t we ask some figures who traveled the land back then?

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1835.
Swiss scholar Titus Tobler:
• “The entire plain of Esdraelon [Jezreel] is without towns, and even the villages are sparsely inhabited.”

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1838.
The biblical geographer Edward Robinson-
• Of the Jezreel Valley:
“A wide and fertile plain… but nearly without population. Villages are few and scattered.”
• Nazareth: “a poor, mean village.
• ⁠Tiberias: “a city in decay.”

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1842.
An Austrian explorer, Ida Pfeiffer:
• As for the town of Jerusalem, [it was] very desolate, barren and sterile”…
• ⁠From the summit of Tabor: “despite the richness of the soil, the population was sparse”.

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1848.
U.S. Navy officer William Lynch, called the country “miserably thinly populated.”

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1867.
Mark Twain, in his book “The Innocents Abroad”.
• Of the Jezreel Valley:
“There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent-not for thirty miles in either direction. One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings.”
• Of Capernaum: “It was only a shapeless ruin… nothing to suggest that it had ever been a town.”
• Tiberias: “Filthy and impoverished.
• ⁠Jericho: “Lies in moldering ruin today, even as Joshua’s miracle left it three thousand years ago.”

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1874.
An English priest, Samuel Manning-
• About the Sharon plain- today the Tel Aviv metropolitan area: “An uninhabited region capable of supporting a vast number of residents.”

So,
Could it be that the quote “Land with no people, for people with no land” had actually something to do with the historic realities?

21/08/2026

What’s up with those who complain about being “unable to openly criticize Israel”?

Are those people seriously convincing themselves that they are some underground, fringe outlaws willing to risk it all for the sake of the “truth”,
While riding one of the largest mainstream propaganda waves of the latest century?

The level of virtue signalling is almost impressive.

Welcome to today’s Trivia:“Whose quote is that? An Islamist or a Communist?”I will give you a pair of quotes every time,...
20/08/2026

Welcome to today’s Trivia:
“Whose quote is that? An Islamist or a Communist?”

I will give you a pair of quotes every time, you will take a guess which one belongs to a communist ideologue and then look at the correct answer below.

Let’s go.

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1) “Throughout history, mankind has always been divided into two opposing forces: the arrogant rulers and the deprived masses..."

2) “Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman… stood in constant opposition to one another.”


I think you’ve guess it right- the second one is by Karl Marx from the communist manifesto. The first is taken from a speech by Ruhollah Khomeini- the leader of the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran.

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1) “The history of humanity is, at its core, a continuous conflict between two systems…"

2) “The history of all … existing society is the history of class struggles."


Once again, it is the second one. And again, by Karl Marx.
The first one is by Sayyid Qutb- a leading ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood- in his work, “Milestones”- where he explains how Islam should gradually take over the world.

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1) “Society is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps…”

2) “The world today has been divided into two camps…"


Yes, I know they are almost identical…
The first one is by Marx’s companion- Friedrich Engels.

The second one is by Osama Bin Laden… a month after 9/11.

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1) The division of society into classes… makes it necessary for one class to dominate over another.”

2) “Whenever human beings exercise sovereignty over other human beings, oppression is the inevitable result... Dominion of man over man is the root of all tyranny."


If you guessed number one, you were right- as it is by Vladimir Lenin.
The second quote belongs to the founder of Jamaat e Islami, Abul A'la Maududi, in his 1939 work “Political theory of Islam”.

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1) “Wherever there is oppression … and injustice, there you will find …Resistance."

2) “Where there is oppression, there is resistance.”


The less talkative here is Mao Zedong- in the second quote.
The first one belongs to Hassan Nasrallah (the former (eliminated) Secretary-General of Hezbollah).

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​1) “International organizations and global law are nothing but instruments in the hands of the arrogant superpowers, created to legalize the subjugation and oppression of weaker nations."

2) “The state is an organ of class rule, an organ for the oppression of one class by another; it is the creation of 'order', which legalizes and perpetuates this oppression."


No I am not just changing the wording of a single quote…
The second quote is by Vladimir Lenin. The first one is again- by Ruhollah Khomeini.

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1) “Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in the ancient Greek republics: freedom for the slave-owners."

​2) “Western 'freedom' and democracy are a complete sham. They offer men the freedom … which turns men into slaves of other men while calling it liberty."


The first one by Lenin. The second is by Sayyid Qutb from the Muslim Brotherhood, a few decades later in his already mentioned work “Milestones”.

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So, apparently it is not just a Red-Green alliance. It is the Red-Green inspiration- as they feed each other ideologically.

However, here is the interesting thing- when any of these sides achieves their goal, the other one who is present there geographically- suffers immensely.

• Look at the Uygurs in China,
• ⁠Or the expulsions of Tatars, Chechens and Ingush by Stalin,
• ⁠Or the dismantling of Islamic culture in Albania under Hoxha.

When communists find themselves under an Islamic rule, it is not any better:
• A killing of 500 thousands to a million of communists in Indonesia in 1965-66,
• The imprisonment and ex*****on of the communists who have helped to bring the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979,
• The overthrow and persecution of the Afghan communists in 1979-92
And so on.

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Don’t forget to comment, how many questions have you got right!

You know how anti-Zionists come to your comment sections and post some half verified, morally questionable- over a hundr...
17/08/2026

You know how anti-Zionists come to your comment sections and post some half verified, morally questionable- over a hundred years old quote by Hertzel or Ben Gurion- in an attempt to portray Israel as inherently evil?

As if saying “look, here are the things that the founders of Zionism said (?) - no wonder…”

It is about time to put some things in perspective here. One of the best ways to do it is to look at today’s one of the most prominent agitators against Israel- the Turkish regime and some of their media outlets.

Their motivation to deligitimize Israel is understandable-
As Israel is one of the main obstacles to their neo-Ottoman imperialistic goals.

But they are throwing stones while living in a glass house.
To understand that, it is enough to go through some of the quotes by their high ranked officials- whether contemporary, or in the Ottoman times that they are so eager to revive.

➡️ “We did not voluntarily accept the borders of our country … Mosul was ours, Kirkuk was ours [Iraq]”.
Turkish President, Erdogan, 2016.

➡️ “We are emptying these villages [of Kurds] for the security of our citizens… To catch the fish, you have to drain the swaps”.
Ismet Sezgin, Minister of Interior, 1993.

Or, if you wish to go to those contemporary to Hertzl or Ben Gurion:

➡️ “Those who are not pure Turks have only one right in the Turkish homeland, and that is to be servants, to be slaves”.
Mahmut Esat Bozkurt, 1925.

➡️ “At any price we must Turkify the inhabitants of our land, and we will annihilate those who oppose Turks or Turkism”.
Ismet Inonu, 1925.

➡️ “The Armenians had become hazardous microbes in the body of this country. Well, isn’t it a doctor’s duty to kill microbes?”
Mehmet Resit, 1915.

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There are many more of course,
And that’s before we mention the genocide of the Greeks, the Assyrians and the Armenians- by the Turkish forces in the years 1914-25,
And the occupation and ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots by the Turkish forces in 1974.

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