12/10/2024
This is an interesting perspective on using "you guys": https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/05/opinion/you-guys-everyone.html #
John McWhorter, "Who Are You Calling ‘You Guys’? Everyone, Actually." _The New York Times_, December 5, 2024. Some excerpts:
Audrey Bilger, the president of Reed College, might have put this debate on the map in 2002, with an influential call to stop using “you guys” as a term of address for women, writing that “calling women ‘guys’ makes femaleness invisible.” That idea found some traction in the tech industry, among other places; one start-up invited employees to put a dollar in a glass jar each time they used the phrase in this manner. The novelist Alice Walker said the use of the term to refer to women reflected a “fear of being feminine.”
Some of those critics advise us to substitute “you all,” “all,” “folks” or “people.” Some have even suggested “y’all,” a word that reads as much too slangy, regional or what you might even call ethnic to ever gain universal acceptance.
From my observation of the speech patterns of girls and young women — including my daughters and students — I think “you guys” is a horse too far out of the barn to be roped back in. For one thing, as some of the critics note, many of the people who use “you guys” to refer to women are themselves women. (Same goes for “dude” and even “bruh,” as in “brother.”) Trying to stop them or anyone else from speaking this way would be like trying to stop people from saying, “And I was like ….” . . . .
Psychological experiments have since proved otherwise, confirming that a masculine pronoun primes people to think primarily of men.
But “you guys” does something different, having traveled a well-worn pathway from a word with a specific, fixed meaning into something more — an element of grammar. . . .
The word has come to mark “you” as plural (note that we don’t say “you guy”), a very handy grammatical function that many other languages address with a single pronoun. “Guys” can still mean “a collection of men,” but it also means something quite different. It’s not the only example of a word that has evolved in completely divergent ways. Another is the N-word, which occurs in two versions: one a vicious slur, the other a term of affection. The kinder version emerged from the other, but it is not the same word at all.
But why “guys”? We wouldn’t address a room full of men as “you girls.” One reason is that English lacks a warm, relatable word for women. “Ladies” is dainty. “Sisters,” beyond Black English, sounds like nuns. “Gals” is a touch comic and perhaps a tad vintage — a little hair spray and Jell-O molds, to my ear.
Another reason is that English is, in general, somewhat pronoun-starved. Other languages almost always have a richer array. . . .
When women call one another “you guys,” “dude” or “bruh,” I don’t hear a fear of being women. They have sapped the gender from a masculine word in order to use it for their own purposes. I hear it as progress.
The story of how a gendered word became a universal pronoun says a lot about how language evolves.