05/13/2026
Ep 170: đ Hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos, Fascia, and Pain (with Tina Wang) Listener Favorite
Why do people with extra-flexible tissues often hurt more, not less? What does fascia actually look like on ultrasound in someone with hypermobility â and why did the findings surprise even the researchers? Dr. Tina Wang â a board-certified physical medicine and rehabilitation physician whose research uses ultrasound to study fascial dysfunction in hypermobile patients â joins Til and Whitney for a wide-ranging conversation about Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, the paradox of mushy tissue that wonât glide, and why the deep fascia may be where most myofascial pain actually lives.
This is one of our most listened-to episodes ever â a listener favorite weâre bringing back for those who missed it and those ready for a second listen. Dr. Wang also offers a 1-hour class on hypermobility in the A-T subscription library (get a free month with code thinking: https://a-t.tv/subscriptions/)
⨠Topics covered in this episode include:
⢠The hypermobility paradox: why people with EDS have tissue that feels âmushyâ and spongy yet lacks fascial glide⢠The diagnostic framework for hypermobile EDS â Beighton scores, systemic manifestations, body proportions, piezogenic papules, and why 30% of the population is hypermobile without pathology⢠Dr. Wangâs ultrasound research: sternocleidomastoid fascia that was profoundly thicker in EDS patients than expected, and the surprising elastography findings about stiffness⢠Why the deep fascia â not muscle alone â appears to be the primary source of myofascial pain in 75% of cases⢠Ultrasound-guided fascial injections and the role of different tissue layers in pain⢠The connection between EDS, neurodivergence, autism, and ADHD â and Dr. Wangâs case that hypermobile EDS may be neurodevelopmental⢠Why some patients respond to treatment with fevers, catatonia, and autonomic dysfunction â and what that tells us about their nervous system⢠Interoception, exteroception, and why people with EDS often have heightened sensory processing⢠The fibroblastânerveâimmune cell crosstalk happening at the tissue level⢠Why âgo slow and form the connectionâ may be the most important clinical advice for working with this population⢠Dr. Wangâs personal experience as a clinician with EDS and co-occurring autism
⨠Resources:
⢠Dr. Wangâs 1-hour course: https://advanced-trainings.com/product/hypermobility-for-hands-on-therapists/⢠Dr. Wangâs clinical practice: https://tupelopointe.com/⢠Dr. Wangâs neurofascial inflammation seminars: https://www.thebraincelledu.com/seminars
⨠Selected research:
⢠Wang, Tina J., and Antonio Stecco. âFascial Thickness and Stiffness in Hypermobile EhlersâDanlos Syndrome.â American Journal of Medical Genetics Part C: Seminars in Medical Genetics 187, no. 4 (December 2021): 446â52. https://doi.org/10.1002/ajmg.c.31948⢠Wang, Tina, Roya Vahdatinia, Sarah Humbert, and Antonio Stecco. âMyofascial Injection Using Fascial Layer-Specific Hydromanipulation Technique (FLuSH) and the Delineation of Multifactorial Myofascial Pain.â Medicina (Kaunas, Lithuania) 56, no. 12 (December 20, 2020): 717. https://doi.org/10.3390/medicina56120717
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