Noah and the Flood

Noah and the Flood This site was created to address questions, objections, and other comments related to Noah and the Genesis Flood, inspired by the new Noah movie. Enjoy! p.s.

The release of a big budget movie about Noah and the great Flood (as interpreted by Black Swan director Darren Aronofsky) in March 2014 will hopefully inspire many to begin researching and discussing this subject. Did the Flood really happen as described in the Bible? Was it a global flood, or just a local flood similar to countless others that have occured throughout recorded history? Where did t

he idea of a global flood come from? Was it a mere myth invented to teach some spiritual truth, or was it based on actual historical events that were recorded by eyewitnesses? And how close are Aronofsky's depictions of the event (and our own traditional concepts) to the detailed Biblical account in Genesis? This page invites respectful inquirers to speak their minds, give their personal opinions, and ask difficult questions. Hopefully it will also provide reasonable answers for those with open minds and a real desire to know the truth. All are welcome to participate who are willing to be courteous and respectful of the viewpoints of others. Please check out the Notes section to see more detailed answers to some of the most difficult objections and questions about the Global Flood. All polite comments are welcome. (Disrespectful or rude comments may be deleted, but I will still try to address them AS IF they were worded in a courteous manner. Just because an objection is improperly expressed doesn't mean it should be ignored.)

02/02/2026

Posted by Barry Isaacs in another group:

AI Overview ~
Noah's Ark is generally considered not to be historically true due to a lack of geological, archaeological, or biological evidence for a global flood. Scientific, logistical, and physical impossibilities—such as constructing a massive, seaworthy wooden vessel, gathering all species, and managing animal care—render the narrative, as described, impossible.
Here are the main reasons why the story is considered scientifically and historically inaccurate:
Geological & Physical Impossibilities: There is no evidence in the rock record for a global flood. Covering the highest mountains would require massive amounts of water that do not exist on Earth.
Logistical Challenges: The Ark could not have held two (or seven) of every species on Earth, along with sufficient food for a year. Furthermore, eight people could not have managed the feeding and cleaning of millions of species.
Animal Survival & Logistics: Many species would not have survived the journey (e.g., polar bears, specialized feeders). Additionally, animals could not have realistically migrated from across the globe to the Ark.
Structural Limitations: A wooden vessel the size of the Ark (approximately \(510\times 85\times 51\) feet) would not be stable enough to withstand such a flood and would likely have broken apart.
Origins of the Narrative: The story is considered a myth or allegory, likely derived from older Mesopotamian flood stories, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh. While the story holds immense spiritual and cultural significance for many, it is not supported by scientific evidence.
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Why Noah's Ark is Scientifically Impossible
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The story of Noah's Ark is one of the most famous stories from the Bible. According to the story, God instructed Noah to build an ark to save himself, his family, and a pair of every kind of animal from a catastrophic flood. While the story has been passed down for generations, it is important to understand that it is scientifically impossible.
Firstly, the dimensions of the ark described in the Bible are 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high. The exact length of a cubit is uncertain, but it is generally thought to be around 18 inches. Therefore, the dimensions of the ark would be approximately 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. This means that the ark would have a volume of around 1.5 million cubic feet. It is impossible to fit all the animals on earth, including those that are now extinct, into such a small space.
Secondly, even if the animals could be squeezed into the ark, they would require vast quantities of food and water to survive for 40 days and 40 nights. The amount of food and water needed would be impossible to store on the ark, and it would be impossible to collect fresh water during the flood. Additionally, the animals would produce large quantities of waste, which would quickly accumulate on the ark, making it unsanitary and dangerous.
Thirdly, the flood would have had to cover the entire earth, including the highest mountains, for the ark to be necessary. This would mean that the water level would have had to rise to a height of around 29,000 feet, which is impossible. The amount of water needed to create a flood of this magnitude would be several times the amount of water on the earth, making it scientifically impossible.
Furthermore, the geological evidence does not support the idea of a global flood. There is no evidence of a worldwide flood in the rock record, and there is no evidence of a mass extinction event that would be consistent with such a flood. If a global flood had occurred, there would be evidence of it in the geological record.
In conclusion, the story of Noah's Ark is a religious story that cannot be scientifically proven. While it may be a powerful symbol of faith for some, it is important to understand that the story is not consistent with scientific evidence. The story of Noah's Ark should be appreciated for its spiritual and cultural significance, but it should not be considered a scientific account of historical events.
Fish_Slapping_Dance

3y ago
I would love to see a comedy sketch of Noah and his family trying to feed and care for wild predators like polar bears and narwhals.
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[deleted]

3y ago
The story of Noah’s Ark should be appreciated for its spiritual and cultural significance,
I guess global genocide could be considered “significant”, but not appreciated.
tdawg-1551

3y ago
One other point to add is that there are many species of animals that have never been found to be in other areas. Such as a Jaguar from South America or a kangaroo from Australia or a penguin from Antarctica (and many thousands of others). How would two of these animals cross the ocean, get to the ark, survive, then return and rebuild their species without extinction or leaving any trace?
rawkguitar

3y ago
You’re not totally correct-it wasn’t two of every animal, it was that he got all The animals in pairs. 1 pair of every unclean animal, and 7 pairs of every clean animal.
So the ark would have had to hold far more animals than just two of every kind.
Also, they weren’t on the ark for 40 days and 40 nights, it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. So they were on the ark for however long it took to load everything before it started raining, then they were on the ark for the 40 days and nights of rain, then they were on the ark for however long it took the water to recede.
And then they had to survive for long enough for plants to grow.
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Slingus_000

3y ago
Also consider the ecological impact of mixing the oceans with every body of fresh water inland. Literally every single freshwater fish/aquatic creature would be extinct. The drastic and sudden change in the ocean's temperature and salinity would almost certainly doom thousands of species. Salmon refute the flood merely by existing.
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Spanky-madein79

3y ago
Reminds me of when my daughter was 5 and asked me to tell her a story from the bible. (Her primary school is Christian but not too full on so I let it slide as it's a nice little school). The only story that sprung to mind was Noah. So I told her the story and at the end she was wide eyed. "What two of every single animal on the boat daddy?" "So the story goes my love." Queue her bursting out laughing and saying "yeah right".
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jcpmojo

3y ago
I remembering reading some paper years ago that said they found evidence of a great and sudden flood in the area where Noah was supposed to be from. Only thing, it was isolated to this one area where apparently a large mound of land on the edge of the nearby sea eroded and failed, creating a giant flood that filled the valley.
The story of Noah was probably derived from stories about the event that had been passed down for hundreds of years, "enhanced" in a way to turn it into a parable, and eventually bastardized into the story of Noah.
The fact that people dedicate their lives to organizations that claim to believe all the nonsensical stories in that text is seriously mind-boggling.
atomicmarc

3y ago
It's also historically inaccurate. We have no scientific evidence for a global flood, nor does the math work out for that much water. In my view, though, it's allegorical. Human civilizations rose near water sources (drinking, fishing, travel) so naturally there are going to be flood stories. The desperate attempts by believers to come up with evidence to prove their Bible is sad.
MpVpRb

3y ago
It's nonsense, so absurd that anyone who hasn't been indoctrinated can easily and immediately understand that it's nonsense. It's amazing how the power of indoctrination can make people ignore common sense and believe obviously absurd nonsense
Mounta1nK1ng

3y ago
It brings me to tears thinking of those poor penguins that had to trek all the way across Africa to get to the ark. Their poor little feet must have hurt so much.
malakon

3y ago
I don't think it is even needed to analyze the ark story scientifically. It is obviously impossible and totally ludicrous. With God all things are possible (Matt 19:26). So basically God can magic up whatever it wants. If that is the case then nothing described in the bible has to be scientifically accurate.
Tanagrabelle

3y ago
It's a pointless argument, though. Not because it isn't true, but because the people who believe in it aren't going to be swayed by science. Believing in the Ark is about faith, and science doesn't enter into it. A theist, if they tried, would simply reply as they did in that damned movie. It's God's will. It's a miracle. The animals had enough food because God made it so. I know a few theists. The delusion hurts...
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3y ago
Years ago, I dated this woman who was a lawyer but also a conservative Christian. She wasn't too conservative, because we had an active s*x life. And one time, after we had s*x, we were lying in bed and for some reason, she started going on about how one day she realized how Noah's Ark was done. He brought all baby animals on board! 🙄
MuchDevelopment7084

3y ago
Noah's ark is a horrific story about mass murder, genocide, and inbreeding.
Yet told to children as a nice story of faith.
God was such an as**at. That he destroyed most of his creations for using a 'gift' that he himself gave them. Free will.
Then, afterward. He created the Rainbow. As a celestial reminder, to himself (all knowing god?)
To not commit genocide on his own creation again.
This story is Idiotic at best.
But nothing in comparison to the story of Job.
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TexanWokeMaster

3y ago
Even if you believe in God. Believing in the biblical creation myths makes about as much sense as believing the earth is flat or that the moon is made from cheese.
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SirCastically

3y ago
My favorite points to make against the ark is Ken Ham’s attempt to build one. He literally disproved the entire thing very thoroughly. He wanted live animals in the exhibits, but even with modern ventilation, that would have been a safety hazard.
c_dubs063

3y ago
Two words. Heat. Problem.
Even if Noah could build a boat to store all the necessary animals and feed them and deal with their waste... they would have been instantly vaporized.
Gutsick Gibbon on YouTube has some comprehensive videos on the topic from a year or two ago.
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3y ago
The lack of genetic diversity which would exist in all species after a bottleneck of one breeding pair is enough of a red flag for me.
Cheetahs have suffered genetic bottlenecks - the worst amounting to less than 7 cheetahs, and their gene pool is a gene puddle now. Every cheetah is basically the same cheetah, Xeroxed. All cheetahs are organ-donor matches to half of the cheetah population.
Verdict: Bu****it.
EVconverter

3y ago
How about “where did all the water go?”
If you melted all the ice on the planet it would raise the sea levels about 250 feet. That’s not even enough to cover the foothills, much less the highest mountains.
[deleted]

3y ago
Noah’s arc is based on the Tales of Gilgamesh from the Babylonians. It’s not even original to the Bible…
jimdkc

3y ago
Don't forget... Only 1 window, 1 cubit (18 inches) square! How could anyone (human or animal) breathe? And can you imagine the stench?
lepapiernoir

3y ago
Another point is that the maximum size for a wooden ship, is about 300 feet. Any bigger and the ship will sag out of shape due to the limitations of wood construction.
Glennbrooke

3y ago
It's stolen from other religions creation myths.
The literal timeline contradicts the fossil record
15 reasons why Noah’s ark is absolute dogs**t
fyi this is worded very unseriously (and probably full of grammatical errors as English isn't my first language sorry!)
it never fails to baffle me that christians truly believe the most utterly nonsense bs ever written in their book. For example Noah's ark. So in this post I will name every single reason I can think of why it's impossible for this to have ever happened. (feel free if you want to add more)
1 Boat size: according to the bible, the ark was a WOODEN boat over 100m long (134m precisely). It is impossible for a ship of this size to function properly, as it will start hogging and sagging. Engineers have proved this.
2 Boat material: as it's a wooden ship, Noah would have to find an immense amount of it. Located in the Middle East, where is he getting all that?
3 engineering. who tf taught Noah how to build boats? It isn’t as easy as making a raft it needs to be perfect if you want it to actually function. Was he in creative mode during all of this?
4 animals. how do you get 5 million species on that boat? “but it’s 2 of every KIND, not species“ That would mean that species would miraculously have to evolve from these kinds, which is impossible in 4000 years, thus cannot be true.
5 Flooding the earth in the first place. God is described as all powerful, but Instead of just making everyone he don’t fw disappear out of thin air he decides to flood the whole earth for a year. Letting innocent animals that can’t even sin just die. suuuuuper loving! also a bit dramatic
6 plants. Noah’s ark was 4000 years ago according to the bible. Also according to the bible, all plants were destroyed in the flood, but the oldest tree in the world is over 5000 years old. Did it just despawn and then spawn in again after the flood?
7 disease. The chances of disease would be very likely considering all of the animals onboard.
8 small insects. termites, ants, whatever it was, they don’t live that long. they were on that boat for a year. What fu***ng ant is in the first place gonna live for a year and secondly how do they just not get crushed by an elephant or some s**t. Termites and wood aren’t necessarily a dream team either.
9 animal s**t. Where did it go? God closed off the ship, and considering the amount of p**p those thousands of fu***ng animals produced for a year where did it go?
10 Oxygen. Like mentioned previously, god closed off the boat, including the ONE SINGLE WINDOW on the boat. how did they breathe? especially when lighting a fire + the other animals, oxygen would run out before the 1 year mark.
11 food. There is actually no fu***ng way you can fit enough food for thousands of animals on board, also, doesn’t it start to rot?
12 Killing (again). Offing everyone but Noah’s family, this would mean he would kill all unborn babies. Not so pro life there now innit?
13 repopulation. The same thing with Adam and Eve, how did they repopulate? In**st? Where were the genetical problems there?
14 how did they get animals from different continents? it was impossible to travel such long distance during that time.
15 After the flood, how did those animals return to their own continents? teleport?
even Santa is more believable at this point
helpmegetoffthisapp

1y ago
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the entire Noah story is true and it happened as the Bible said it did.
How would you explain Kangaroos in Australia? Australia is some 6,000 miles away from Mt. Ararat where Noah's ark supposedly settled. Approximately 2,000 of those 6,000 miles is ocean.
It would have taken Kangaroos thousands of generations over hundreds years to cross that distance, and then somehow figure out how to cross the ocean.
We would find skeletal remains of kangaroos originating from Mt Ararat and all along their journey to Australia.
We don't. We only find them in Australia.
Now do the same mental exercise for thousands of different kinds of animals. There would be an massive, unexplainable fossil record of animals originating from Mt. Ararat and spreading across the earth.
It simply doesn't exist.

12/31/2020

Even if Noah could build a wooden Ark strong enough to survive a yearlong Flood, how could he house and feed all those animals?

02/22/2020

There are some things about the Ark we simply don’t know because the Bible does not tell us.

06/04/2017

Recently I received a post that presented a number of arguments against the idea of a Biblical Flood. I have taken the liberty of rephrasing those objections, making them questions instead of objections. Is it possible to supply satisfactory answers to all these questions? Or has the Flood account been conclusively refuted?

1. In Genesis 8:11 it says a dove released by Noah while much of the earth was still covered by water brought a plucked olive branch back to the Ark. How could this be? How could there be vegetation already growing on land that was so recently covered by salt water? Wouldn’t all the land on earth be infertile because of all the residual salt in the soil?

2. The Flood account states that it rained for 40 days straight, and water from the great deep raised the ocean level above the tallest mountains (Gen 7:19,20). Wouldn’t that include mountains like Everest whose peak is about five miles above sea level at an altitude where there is a third as much atmosphere due to lower air pressure? Wouldn’t that mean Noah, his family, and the animals would have suffocated due to lack of oxygen?

3. If it rained for that length of time, wouldn’t that have created a greenhouse effect, boiling everything on the Ark alive?

4. With so many dead animals everywhere releasing deadly methane, wouldn’t that make the entire atmosphere unbreathable, at least for most mammals and reptiles and birds?

5. If the Flood happened as described, shouldn’t we be able to find trilobites and dinosaurs and human remains in the same strata?

6. What happened to all the water? Where did the extra 30,000 feet of water needed to cover Mt. Everest go to after the Flood was over?

7. (See #2)

8. How would Noah (a vegetarian according to most Creationists) save enough food for his family and all the animals for an entire year? How could he have preserved food for that long? Where did he store the year's supply of fresh water for him and the animals? Wouldn’t the Flood water be contaminated and deadly to drink?

9. How did Noah fit all the animals on the ark? How many different animal kinds (species, families, whatever) existed at that time? Clearly there are way too many distinct families in the world today for all of them to have fit. So how did all these new varieties come to exist in such a short amount of time (a few thousand years)?

10. Many claim Noah used infant animals instead of fully grown adults to conserve space on the Ark. But how could animal babies survive without nurturing from their mothers? And even if they survived their experience on the Ark, how could the animal kinds and human beings survive with such a low genetic diversity? How did they escape the inevitable genetic and birth defects that come from inbreeding?

11. According to most young earth creationists, the Flood took place approx. 4,300 years ago, but according to most modern scientists the population of the Earth was a minimum of 30,000,000 just 4000 years ago. How did 8 people manage to populate the Earth so quickly after the Flood?

12. There are many civilizations like the Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, etc. that have been dated to 2,500 BCE or older, which is earlier than the estimated time of the Flood. How did such civilizations that were already here before the Flood survive the Flood?

07/05/2016

Misunderstandings are on full display when it comes to the biblical account of the Flood. Are you guilty of any of these ten common misconceptions?

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