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Conversations With Svend Podcast CWS — project ambassadors of Kindling Humanity: Stories of Growth with Coed Lleol & Pembrokeshire Coastal Forum.

Narrative storytelling of West Wales legacy projects aligned with the Well-being of Future Generations Act — talks on nature & wellbeing today

14/10/2026

There's something about silence that's so appealing. And water? In the sea, rivers, or streams—especially cold water—it feels like home. It's where true comfort lies.

12/10/2026

Unlocking abstract thinking requires patience and gentleness. Enter the fractal doors of perception through contemplation and inquiry. Embracing the journey is essential, so allow and accept the process.

05/10/2026

Being aligned isn't just about mindfulness. It's about synchronizing with the Earth's energies and the changing seasons. Ancient traditions offer portals to connect with the sun and realize our place within the whole. Our bodies know the seasons. Do you?

JOIN THE eCPR COMMUNITY | WALES 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 & SCOTLAND 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 ❤️What happens when people who were once told that schizophre...
03/10/2026

JOIN THE eCPR COMMUNITY | WALES 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 & SCOTLAND 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 ❤️
What happens when people who were once told that schizophrenia meant lifelong disability go on to recover, build meaningful lives and help change how we respond to emotional crisis?
Dr Daniel Fisher MD PhD and Andrew Dugmore MSc share extraordinary stories of psychosis, recovery, research and advocacy in this CWS conversation.
Daniel experienced psychosis, including catatonia, was hospitalised and diagnosed with schizophrenia. He later trained as a psychiatrist, co-founded the National Empowerment Center and helped develop Emotional CPR (eCPR).
Andrew experienced psychosis, psychiatric hospitalisation and long-term medication. Today he is a mental health educator, researcher and the first eCPR trainer in Wales. His recovery includes peer support, human connection, meditation, nature, spirituality and family.
❤️ EMOTIONAL CPR | eCPR
eCPR grew from lived experience of profound emotional distress and recovery:
C — Connecting: presence, compassion and deep listening.�P — emPowering: reconnecting people with agency, strength and capacity for healing.�R — Revitalizing: returning to relationships, meaning, community and a fuller life.
Daniel brought eCPR to Scotland, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 where Andrew undertook training to become a trainer. In spring 2025, Daniel and Andrew delivered the first eCPR training of this initiative in Wales. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
NOW WE WANT TO BUILD THE COMMUNITY FURTHER.
If you are in Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 or Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 and want to participate, support future training, help organise or contribute to the developing eCPR community, GET INVOLVED.
📧 eCPR Wales: [email protected]�📧 Andrew Dugmore: [email protected]�📧 Dr Daniel Fisher: [email protected]
CWS | Conversations With Svend presents the full two-hour conversation:
eCPR WALES | STORIES OF HOPE | PSYCHOSIS | RECOVERY | DR DANIEL FISHER MD PhD | ANDREW DUGMORE MSc
YouTube 9 SEPTEMBER | 9 PM UK TIME.
A diagnosis does not define a human being or determine their future. Recovery, connection and hope matter.


❤️ eCPR WALES 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 | STORIES OF HOPE | RECOVERY
Thank you to Dr Daniel Fisher and Andrew Dugmore for sharing their lived experience, knowledge and extraordinary stories of recovery.
This conversation explores psychosis, psychiatric diagnosis, recovery, peer support, spirituality, nature, Open Dialogue, human connection and the fundamental importance of hope.
Daniel Fisher, MD, PhD brings the unusual perspective of both lived experience and more than four decades as a psychiatrist, clinician, advocate and leader within the international recovery movement.
After experiencing psychosis, catatonia, psychiatric hospitalisation and a diagnosis of schizophrenia himself, Daniel went on to co-found the National Empowerment Center and help develop Emotional CPR.
Andrew Dugmore experienced psychosis more than four decades ago and speaks about hospitalisation, long-term medication and being given a deeply pessimistic prognosis.
His subsequent life became a story of recovery, education, research, spirituality and service.
Andrew is now a mental health and wellbeing educator, mindfulness teacher, MSc Mental Health Recovery, PhD Candidate and the first eCPR trainer in Wales.
❤️ EMOTIONAL CPR
C — Connecting�P — emPowering�R — Revitalizing
eCPR is grounded in presence, deep listening, human connection and supporting people to reconnect with their own agency and capacity for recovery.
🌱 eCPR WALES
Daniel brought eCPR to Scotland, where Andrew travelled repeatedly from Wales to train with him and undertook the substantial experiential apprenticeship required to become an eCPR trainer.
In spring 2025, Daniel and Andrew delivered the first eCPR training of this new initiative in Wales, supported locally by West Wales Action for Mental Health, including Angie Darlington.
I was fortunate to participate in that training myself.
Andrew has since been speaking with Nicola and Lacey about developing another Emotional CPR training in Wales and creating an ongoing community around the practice.
If you are in Wales, have Welsh connections, would like to participate in a future eCPR training, support its development, help organise a training or become part of the developing community, please make contact:
📧 eCPR Wales:�[email protected]
📧 Andrew Dugmore | Mental Health Ways:�[email protected]
📧 Dr Daniel Fisher:�[email protected]
ANDREW DUGMORE
Mental health and wellbeing educator�Mindfulness teacher�MSc Mental Health Recovery�PhD Candidate�Mental Health Ways
Instagram: �Twitter: �Tel: 07801 579225�Facebook:�https://www.facebook.com/mhways2019/
❤️ EMOTIONAL CPR
https://emotional-cpr.org/
Introduction to eCPR:�https://youtu.be/j1-k_ntaVVs
NEC Vision for the Future – Community Dialogue:�https://youtu.be/g0nf5X8bcI4
🌐 NATIONAL EMPOWERMENT CENTER
https://power2u.org/
YouTube:�https://www.youtube.com/
🎬 EMOTIONAL CPR AWAKENS OUR HEARTS
Daniel Fisher and the development of Emotional CPR are also explored in the documentary Emotional CPR Awakens Our Hearts.
The film has been selected for the Mad in Norway International Film Festival: Rethinking Mental Health, taking place in Lillehammer, Norway, 24–26 September 2026.
Festival information:
https://youtu.be/FANUuMVW6co?si=0d3WheHQD6_fp8nx�https://www.madinnorway.org/2026/05/klart-for-internasjonal-filmfestival-om-psykisk-helse-i-lillehammer/
The wider conversation explores Open Dialogue, peer support, alternatives to hospital-based responses, lived experience within mental health services and what might become possible when people experiencing extreme states are met first as human beings.
📖 HEARTBEATS OF HOPE | DR DANIEL FISHER
Heartbeats of Hope: The Empowerment Way to Recover Your Life�By Daniel Fisher, MD, PhD
National Empowerment Center:�https://power2u.org/store/heartbeats-of-hope/
Amazon.com:�https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BFGYQXK
Amazon.co.uk:�https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=9780692764596
ISBN: 9780692764596
There are no simple formulas for recovery and no single path that applies to everyone.
However, Daniel and Andrew's lives carry an important message:
Even when somebody has lost hope for themselves, another human being can hold hope for them until they are able to rediscover it for themselves.
https://youtu.be/FANUuMVW6co?si=0d3WheHQD6_fp8nx
WATCH | ANDREW DUGMORE | TEDx
Hear Andrew Dugmore share his own perspective and lived experience in this TEDx Talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0KCEnJ5Yl4

30/09/2026

Words have limits, but being present during impactful moments is powerful. Filming those moments where you can see the immediate impact on people is incredibly rewarding. You witness the change firsthand.

💰 £50,000 | A WELSH 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 LEGACY DOCUMENTARY FILM PROJECT 🐉
💰 £20,000 | COMMUNITY CROWDFUNDING
💰 £70,000 | TOTAL

The Pembrokeshire Outdoor Health Project shows how outdoor activity creates belonging and skills, supports mental health and reconnects people with nature.

Rooted in Hiraeth, Cynefin and the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act, this film records Welsh voices, landscapes, lived experience and community knowledge—presenting outdoor health as social prescribing, prevention and inclusion.

THE PITCH:
£50,000 for the documentary.
£20,000 crowdfunding for the Pembrokeshire Outdoor Health Project, Cynefin Green Health Hub and Blue and Green Health initiatives.

PARTNERS & PROJECTS:
Pembrokeshire Coastal Forum; Pembrokeshire Outdoor Health Project; Cynefin Green Health Hub; Celtic Deep; .wales Wild Swim Wales; Find Blue Freedom; Windswept Watersports; Tonic Surf; Tir Coed; Small Woods Association; Coed Lleol / Small Woods Wales; West Wales Action for Mental Health; Pembrokeshire Association of Voluntary Services; Carmarthenshire Association of Voluntary Services; Hapus Wales; Hywel Dda University Health Board; University of Wales Trinity Saint David; UWTSD Film and Media; SPAN Arts, Narberth; Pembrokeshire County Council; Carmarthenshire County Council; Future Generations Commissioner for Wales.

FUNDERS & BROADCASTERS:
The National Lottery Community Fund; Garfield Weston Foundation; S4C.

SPONSORS & TECH PARTNERS:
Patagonia; dryrobe®; Finisterre; Vivobarefoot; Earth Runners; Cressi; GoPro; DJI; RØDE Microphones; Sennheiser; Carmarthen Cameras; James Music.

A film about Wales, made in Wales, carrying Welsh reconnection to the world.

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28/09/2026

Struggling to find yourself? It's not in your thoughts, but in your form. Accept the beauty of your ever-changing identity. Stop forcing labels—you're here to see the identities of others.

https://youtube.com/?si=UrinfJKcJdEDKJnd

LOVER OF LIFE ❤️MALE ROLE MODELS | THE ALCHEMY OF PRESENCEWhat becomes possible when men and women experience men modell...
28/09/2026

LOVER OF LIFE ❤️

MALE ROLE MODELS | THE ALCHEMY OF PRESENCE

What becomes possible when men and women experience men modelling forms of strength, including tenderness, vulnerability and presence?

There is an alchemy when we can be with what we call our “negative” emotions.

By allowing, accepting and embracing them, we can transmute and transform.

Lead into gold.

Masculine & feminine in balance.

Pablo Castro of offers aspiration, invitation and encouragement for more men to enter retreat spaces, breathe consciously and experience emotional connection as an expression of strength.

Our 8/8 DRAGONFLY’S DREAM podcast film features Pablo and Kerry Veitch of .breath, recorded at Fforest Barn Retreat Centre .mountain in Wales after their fourth annual five-day conscious connected warm-water breathwork immersion.

Together with his wife, Pablo is relocating to Italy from Bali, Indonesia, connecting with .tuscany and —an evolving chapter within the wider breathwork movement.

We explore:

REBIRTH | HOMECOMING | PRESENCE | INNOCENCE | LOVE ❤️

THE LONGING OF BELONGING

We are more than a podcast.

CWS, Caitlin Longden and I document the people, places and practices contributing to these movements.

Our films connect ecosystems beyond any single retreat, training or organisation, opening possibilities for participation, filmmaking and grant funding and attracting ethically aligned sponsors and collaborators.

Co-Created in Wales, our work draws on the five ways of working within the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act—bringing law and morality into the same frame:

• COLLABORATION between people and communities

• INVOLVEMENT through participation and lived experiences

• INTEGRATION of personal, social and environmental well-being

• PREVENTION through connection and resilience

• LONG-TERM VISION for the cultures we are co-creating

At our hearths ❤️ are people breathing together, remembering that belonging and community are co-created.

Watch our CWS podcast films on YouTube.

’sDream

🌊 REBIRTHING | WARM WATER | THE INTELLIGENCE OF WATER

Warm-water rebirthing combines Conscious Connected Breathwork with being held and supported in water.

Integration continues beyond the retreat — through everyday life, relationships, friendship, community and the collaborations that develop from shared experience.

🌿 AIR SCHOOL OF BREATHWORK | 2027 ADVANCED TRAINING

Kerry is an owner and trainer with the AIR School of Breathwork, offering professional rebirthing breathwork training through residential and online modules.

2027 TRAINING

• 15–21 January — Sacred Breath | Online | Jacqui & Kerry
• 19–26 February — Sacred Love | Dartmoor, Devon | Brigitte & Jacqui
• 23–29 April — Sacred Path | Online | Kerry & Pablo
• 13–21 May — Sacred Breath | Roquecor, France | Doug & Jacqui
• 9–17 September — Sacred Love | Roquecor, France | Doug & Kerry
• 1–8 October — Sacred Life | Dartmoor, Devon | Jacqui & Kerry
• 19–25 November — Sacred Path | Online | Jacqui & Kerry

TRUTH | SIMPLICITY | LOVE

🌊 CONTINUE THE CWS JOURNEY

Watch our other 2026 CWS conversations with Kerry and Pablo exploring The Sacred Breath, OndaBreath, warm-water rebirthing, the intelligence of water, innocence, love, relationship, belonging and our continuing creative collaboration.

Like, comment, subscribe and share.

🌬️ The Sacred Breath — Kerry Veitch
🌿 AIR School of Breathwork

CWS | CONVERSATIONS WITH SVEND
KINDLING HUMANITY | STORIES OF EXPANSION | AUTHENTIC LIVING

https://youtube.com/?si=RInaMosFmP-Dvg2d

JOIN THE eCPR COMMUNITY | WALES & SCOTLAND ❤️What happens when people who were once told that schizophrenia meant lifelo...
28/09/2026

JOIN THE eCPR COMMUNITY | WALES & SCOTLAND ❤️
What happens when people who were once told that schizophrenia meant lifelong disability go on to recover, build meaningful lives and help change how we respond to emotional crisis?
Dr Daniel Fisher MD PhD and Andrew Dugmore MSc share extraordinary stories of psychosis, recovery, research and advocacy in this CWS conversation.
Daniel experienced psychosis, including catatonia, was hospitalised and diagnosed with schizophrenia. He later trained as a psychiatrist, co-founded the National Empowerment Center and helped develop Emotional CPR (eCPR).
Andrew experienced psychosis, psychiatric hospitalisation and long-term medication. Today he is a mental health educator, researcher and the first eCPR trainer in Wales. His recovery includes peer support, human connection, meditation, nature, spirituality and family.
❤️ EMOTIONAL CPR | eCPR
eCPR grew from lived experience of profound emotional distress and recovery:
C — Connecting: presence, compassion and deep listening.�P — emPowering: reconnecting people with agency, strength and capacity for healing.�R — Revitalizing: returning to relationships, meaning, community and a fuller life.
Daniel brought eCPR to Scotland, where Andrew undertook training to become a trainer. In spring 2025, Daniel and Andrew delivered the first eCPR training of this initiative in Wales.
NOW WE WANT TO BUILD THE COMMUNITY FURTHER.
If you are in Wales or Scotland and want to participate, support future training, help organise or contribute to the developing eCPR community, GET INVOLVED.
📧 eCPR Wales: [email protected]�📧 Andrew Dugmore: [email protected]�📧 Dr Daniel Fisher: [email protected]
CWS | Conversations With Svend presents the full two-hour conversation:
eCPR WALES | STORIES OF HOPE | PSYCHOSIS | RECOVERY | DR DANIEL FISHER MD PhD | ANDREW DUGMORE MSc
YouTube 9 SEPTEMBER | 9 PM UK TIME.
A diagnosis does not define a human being or determine their future. Recovery, connection and hope matter.


https://youtube.com/?si=TuGLzqbi3hgvYMTW

25/09/2026

There's something powerful about shared experiences. When a story resonates, it's because it reflects a truth we already know. Have you ever felt instantly connected to someone's journey?

💰 £50,000 | A WELSH 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 LEGACY DOCUMENTARY FILM PROJECT 🐉
💰 £20,000 | COMMUNITY CROWDFUNDING
💰 £70,000 | TOTAL

The Pembrokeshire Outdoor Health Project shows how outdoor activity creates belonging and skills, supports mental health and reconnects people with nature.

Rooted in Hiraeth, Cynefin and the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act, this film records Welsh voices, landscapes, lived experience and community knowledge—presenting outdoor health as social prescribing, prevention and inclusion.

THE PITCH:
£50,000 for the documentary.
£20,000 crowdfunding for the Pembrokeshire Outdoor Health Project, Cynefin Green Health Hub and Blue and Green Health initiatives.

PARTNERS & PROJECTS:
Pembrokeshire Coastal Forum; Pembrokeshire Outdoor Health Project; Cynefin Green Health Hub; Celtic Deep; .wales Wild Swim Wales; Find Blue Freedom; Windswept Watersports; Tonic Surf; Tir Coed; Small Woods Association; Coed Lleol / Small Woods Wales; West Wales Action for Mental Health; Pembrokeshire Association of Voluntary Services; Carmarthenshire Association of Voluntary Services; Hapus Wales; Hywel Dda University Health Board; University of Wales Trinity Saint David; UWTSD Film and Media; SPAN Arts, Narberth; Pembrokeshire County Council; Carmarthenshire County Council; Future Generations Commissioner for Wales.

FUNDERS & BROADCASTERS:
The National Lottery Community Fund; Garfield Weston Foundation; S4C.

SPONSORS & TECH PARTNERS:
Patagonia; dryrobe®; Finisterre; Vivobarefoot; Earth Runners; Cressi; GoPro; DJI; RØDE Microphones; Sennheiser; Carmarthen Cameras; James Music.

A film about Wales, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 made in Wales, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 carrying Welsh 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 reconnection to the world.

JOIN THE eCPR COMMUNITY | WALES & SCOTLAND ❤️What happens when people who were once told that schizophrenia meant lifelo...
24/09/2026

JOIN THE eCPR COMMUNITY | WALES & SCOTLAND ❤️
What happens when people who were once told that schizophrenia meant lifelong disability go on to recover, build meaningful lives and help change how we respond to emotional crisis?
Dr Daniel Fisher MD PhD and Andrew Dugmore MSc share extraordinary stories of psychosis, recovery, research and advocacy in this CWS conversation.
Daniel experienced psychosis, including catatonia, was hospitalised and diagnosed with schizophrenia. He later trained as a psychiatrist, co-founded the National Empowerment Center and helped develop Emotional CPR (eCPR).
Andrew experienced psychosis, psychiatric hospitalisation and long-term medication. Today he is a mental health educator, researcher and the first eCPR trainer in Wales. His recovery includes peer support, human connection, meditation, nature, spirituality and family.
❤️ EMOTIONAL CPR | eCPR
eCPR grew from lived experience of profound emotional distress and recovery:
C — Connecting: presence, compassion and deep listening.�P — emPowering: reconnecting people with agency, strength and capacity for healing.�R — Revitalizing: returning to relationships, meaning, community and a fuller life.
Daniel brought eCPR to Scotland, where Andrew undertook training to become a trainer. In spring 2025, Daniel and Andrew delivered the first eCPR training of this initiative in Wales.
NOW WE WANT TO BUILD THE COMMUNITY FURTHER.
If you are in Wales or Scotland and want to participate, support future training, help organise or contribute to the developing eCPR community, GET INVOLVED.
📧 eCPR Wales: [email protected]�📧 Andrew Dugmore: [email protected]�📧 Dr Daniel Fisher: [email protected]
CWS | Conversations With Svend presents the full two-hour conversation:
eCPR WALES | STORIES OF HOPE | PSYCHOSIS | RECOVERY | DR DANIEL FISHER MD PhD | ANDREW DUGMORE MSc
YouTube 9 SEPTEMBER | 9 PM UK TIME.
A diagnosis does not define a human being or determine their future. Recovery, connection and hope matter.


❤️ eCPR WALES | STORIES OF HOPE | RECOVERY
Thank you to Dr Daniel Fisher and Andrew Dugmore for sharing their lived experience, knowledge and extraordinary stories of recovery.
This conversation explores psychosis, psychiatric diagnosis, recovery, peer support, spirituality, nature, Open Dialogue, human connection and the fundamental importance of hope.
Daniel Fisher, MD, PhD brings the unusual perspective of both lived experience and more than four decades as a psychiatrist, clinician, advocate and leader within the international recovery movement.
After experiencing psychosis, catatonia, psychiatric hospitalisation and a diagnosis of schizophrenia himself, Daniel went on to co-found the National Empowerment Center and help develop Emotional CPR.
Andrew Dugmore experienced psychosis more than four decades ago and speaks about hospitalisation, long-term medication and being given a deeply pessimistic prognosis.
His subsequent life became a story of recovery, education, research, spirituality and service.
Andrew is now a mental health and wellbeing educator, mindfulness teacher, MSc Mental Health Recovery, PhD Candidate and the first eCPR trainer in Wales.
❤️ EMOTIONAL CPR
C — Connecting�P — emPowering�R — Revitalizing
eCPR is grounded in presence, deep listening, human connection and supporting people to reconnect with their own agency and capacity for recovery.
🌱 eCPR WALES
Daniel brought eCPR to Scotland, where Andrew travelled repeatedly from Wales to train with him and undertook the substantial experiential apprenticeship required to become an eCPR trainer.
In spring 2025, Daniel and Andrew delivered the first eCPR training of this new initiative in Wales, supported locally by West Wales Action for Mental Health, including Angie Darlington.
I was fortunate to participate in that training myself.
Andrew has since been speaking with Nicola and Lacey about developing another Emotional CPR training in Wales and creating an ongoing community around the practice.
If you are in Wales, have Welsh connections, would like to participate in a future eCPR training, support its development, help organise a training or become part of the developing community, please make contact:
📧 eCPR Wales:�[email protected]
📧 Andrew Dugmore | Mental Health Ways:�[email protected]
📧 Dr Daniel Fisher:�[email protected]
ANDREW DUGMORE
Mental health and wellbeing educator�Mindfulness teacher�MSc Mental Health Recovery�PhD Candidate�Mental Health Ways
Instagram: �Twitter: �Tel: 07801 579225�Facebook:�https://www.facebook.com/mhways2019/
❤️ EMOTIONAL CPR
https://emotional-cpr.org/
Introduction to eCPR:�https://youtu.be/j1-k_ntaVVs
NEC Vision for the Future – Community Dialogue:�https://youtu.be/g0nf5X8bcI4
🌐 NATIONAL EMPOWERMENT CENTER
https://power2u.org/
YouTube:�https://www.youtube.com/
🎬 EMOTIONAL CPR AWAKENS OUR HEARTS
Daniel Fisher and the development of Emotional CPR are also explored in the documentary Emotional CPR Awakens Our Hearts.
The film has been selected for the Mad in Norway International Film Festival: Rethinking Mental Health, taking place in Lillehammer, Norway, 24–26 September 2026.
Festival information:
https://youtu.be/FANUuMVW6co?si=0d3WheHQD6_fp8nx�https://www.madinnorway.org/2026/05/klart-for-internasjonal-filmfestival-om-psykisk-helse-i-lillehammer/
The wider conversation explores Open Dialogue, peer support, alternatives to hospital-based responses, lived experience within mental health services and what might become possible when people experiencing extreme states are met first as human beings.
📖 HEARTBEATS OF HOPE | DR DANIEL FISHER
Heartbeats of Hope: The Empowerment Way to Recover Your Life�By Daniel Fisher, MD, PhD
National Empowerment Center:�https://power2u.org/store/heartbeats-of-hope/
Amazon.com:�https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BFGYQXK
Amazon.co.uk:�https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=9780692764596
ISBN: 9780692764596
There are no simple formulas for recovery and no single path that applies to everyone.
However, Daniel and Andrew's lives carry an important message:
Even when somebody has lost hope for themselves, another human being can hold hope for them until they are able to rediscover it for themselves.
https://youtu.be/FANUuMVW6co?si=0d3WheHQD6_fp8nx
WATCH | ANDREW DUGMORE | TEDx
Hear Andrew Dugmore share his own perspective and lived experience in this TEDx Talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0KCEnJ5Yl4

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