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MSU Students for Liberty SFL is a pro-liberty student organization. We focus on civil rights, economic freedom, & other liberty interests. Conservatives/Libertarians/etc, welcome!

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04/13/2016

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Home News The Myth of the Independent: 2016 Election NewsThe Myth of the Independent: 2016 Election By Ryan Tyler - Apr 6, 2016 95 views 0 SHARE Facebook Twitter In American political science there is a skeptical view of independent voters known as the “myth of the independent”. This idea is espouse…

12/06/2014

There is a good side and a bad side to camera equipped cops. The good side is that they will have an incentive to enforce and follow the law. The bad side is that they will have an incentive to enforce and follow the law. If there are laws that an officer doesn't agree with, such as ma*****na prohibition, then the camera would surely pressure him/her into enforcing that law. Some would make the argument that halting the murder of civilians by police officers is important enough to risk that. What do you think?

10/19/2014

Does the ebola epidemic impact your views on immigration? If so, in what way and why? If not, then why?

10/17/2014

Krugman argues that Barack Obama is one of the greatest presidents ever. I would find that hard to argue even if I was a liberal. Let's just assume that liberals are correct on all of the issues and examine his presidency from a leftist viewpoint:

1) Barack Obama wasted two years of his presidency and all of his political capital on one piece of controversial legislation when he could've spent that same amount of capital on at least half of the things he could've done instead.

2) Did not close down gitmo.

3) Took 3 to 4 years to pull out of Iraq

4) Pretty much did not deliver on any of his promises, except with regards to Iraq and the healthcare bill (though not actually because the healthcare bill that was promised was different than the healthcare bill that was passed).

5) The bill that he wasted all of his political capital on was incredibly messed up and almost everyone knows that it is garbage. The only argument over Obamacare that you will see on the media these days is over whether it is normal garbage or extreme garbage.

6) Signed waivers that excluded many corporations from Obamacare.

7) Tried to excuse politicians from Obamacare.

8) Sandy Hooks middle eastern children with robots in the sky.

These are generally things that a liberal would find disgusting, but they don't. They instead give him awards. Regardless of your political ideology, I hope that many of you will agree that calling him the "best prezidint evar" is kind of stupid and I would've expected a man like Krugman, a man smart enough to be a nobel laureate, to see that... but he doesn't.

10/10/2014

We at MSU Students for Liberty apologize for the lapse in material that has occurred over the past year or so. As many of you know, this page is primarily concerned with educational outreach, civil discussion on multiple topics, and the advertisement of events, so if you have a topic that you would like us to post on the page in order to open up the discussion to everyone who likes this page, please don't hesitate to send it our way.

So let's hit the restart button and open up with a very basic, but complex question: What should we mean when we say "I am a Libertarian?" Should Libertarianism be defined as a moral philosophy that rests on the Non-Aggression Principle (Rothbard and company), an economic philosophy based on more consequentialist(ish) grounds (Milton Friedman and company), a Molyneuxvian moral philosophy (Stephan Molyneux), or something else?

For those of you who are unfamiliar with this topic, here are some links that should acquaint you with the topic, so that you may have the competence to join in the discussion:

By the way, keep in mind that we aren't asking you to read the entirety of every link on this status. For most of these, you only need to read a few pages (or even just a couple paragraphs on some of them) in order to get a basic idea of what each side is arguing, though we do encourage you to study further for your intellectual growth.

I. Libertarianism as a Deontological Moral Philosophy

1. Non Aggression Principle (http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Principle_of_non-aggression)

- Chapter Two of "For A New Liberty" by Murray N. Rothbard
https://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf =30

- Speech by Thomas Woods on "Rights" (This is very interesting as it approaches it from a historical perspective. Whether you agree with the idea of rights or not, the history of the idea is still interesting.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Lb8YitPs8

- Criticism: If there is a defeating criticism for the Non-Aggression Principle, then David Hume was probably the one who authored it about 200 years before Rothbard was born (this problem also challenges pretty much any claim to objective morality):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem

The following attempts at providing a objective moral basis for Libertarianism are basically attempts at overcoming David Hume. Many say that these attempts are successful, while others argue that they are not:

2. Molyneuxvian Derivation of Non Aggression Principle (and other moral beliefs) from "Universally Preferable Behavior.

- From the Mises wiki (very thorough, so if you want Molyneux's theory to be summarized more briefly, you can read the criticism. Of course, keep in mind that there is probably a bias against Molyneux wthin it.): http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Universally_Preferable_Behaviour/3

- David Gordon's criticism of Molyneux's "Universally Preferable Behavior: A Rational Proof for Secular Ethics": http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=383

3. Ayn Rand's Derivation of Rights from Objectivism, where she claims to have overcome David Hume's Is/Ought Problem

- She expresses her arrival at a rational code of ethics best in a speech by John Galt, one of her characters in "Atlas Shrugged".
http://www.atlassociety.org/outline-john-galts-speech

- Criticism of Ayn Rand by David Friedman: http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Machinery_3d_Edition/Problems%20with%20Ayn%20Rand.htm

4. Hans Hermann Hoppe's "Argumentation Ethics":

- A brief explanation on the Mises wiki: http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Argumentation_ethics

- A criticism of Hoppe's Argumentation Ethics:
https://mises.org/journals/jls/20_2/20_2_3.pdf

- A really cheap and horribly made, but somehow intriguing, song about Hans Hermann Hoppe (someone had time on their hands):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-33cuur-hTc

II. Other viewpoints on Libertarianism (Consequentialist, etc.) :

1. Consequentialist Libertarianism: (Ludwig Von Mises Milton Friedman, F.A. Hayek, etc.):
- What it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialist_libertarianism

-Brief Video with Milton Friedman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsxsvLU2bGg

2. Moral Intuitionism of Michael Huemer (Michael Huemer, David Friedman, etc.):

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Huemer
-daviddfriedman.com/Machinery_3d_Edition/An%20Argument%20I%20Lost.htm

Those who are not Libertarians are also welcome to comment on S4L, even if you are on the left. We do not ban people for having a differing opinion. To be honest, being a Libertarian would be quite boring without people who disagree with us. Please let loose any constructive arguments you have against or for something related to our posts.

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08/06/2014

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02/02/2014

For those of us who argue with pro-government monopolists, inevitably one of their go-to arguments hinges on "roads", which is a bit more complicated than some might imagine. In essence, they advocate legalized state violence to use its legal force to steal ["eminent domain"] people's land in order to plan road construction. These pro government monopolists typically do this because they have a difficulty imagining the market innovations that might occur in a free society.

There are some great libertarian theorists that have written books on this. The basic argument is: in a free society some roads would not exist, some would be free to the traveler paid for by businesses and associations [think Home Owner] that want their customers to have access to their stores, some would be paid for by tolls, and other modes of travel would compete [potentially] more advantageously for the traveler's business.

So to this, we give We the Individuals a tip of the hat. We get it. We hope you do too.

02/01/2014

Joe Salerno discusses the economics of Price Gouging. Dr. Salerno is the Mises Institute's Academic Vice President. For more information, visit the Mises Ins...

01/31/2014

"Q: How did white Americans crush the culture of the Native Americans as they moved west?"
- American History Book
Excuse me sir, but we don't use that terminology anymore. A more socially acceptable term is "spreading democracy."

01/16/2014

Let's not forget the baby skull seeking bullets

DarkVolt Obliviónis

Thumbs up if congress deserves this book.
01/16/2014

Thumbs up if congress deserves this book.

Traduction d'un sketch à Saturday night live. Acheter à crédit, c'est une farce. Et le dindon, c'est nous!

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